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  1. Anonymous Guest
    Speculation goes around that Chimelong is already in possession of two orcas who are currently held in sea pens somewhere in the park or near the park but not yet on public display.

    Most recent news state that Sea World is planning to expand to South Korea and open up a new Sea World park partnering up with Samsung Everland. If that is true, Chimelong Ocean Kingdom will likely profit from orca trades in the near future. It would take Sea World 2-4 years to open a new park in South Korea. If they do, the orca market in Asia is opening up anew. And then Chimelong will most likely try to make profit from the orca business as well. http://seaworldpledge.org/blog/seaworld-international-expansion-south-korea/

    All a bunch of heartless souls who only care about the money but have no understanding of how much damage captivity does to these wonderful creatures.

  2. Anonymous Guest
    Maybe not at present - but what about their future plans?

  3. Anonymous Guest
    hkzoe, do you have any evidence for the links between these parks? If all that is true, it might be that Sea World is planning to built a new park in China. They have recently stated in an article from Orlando Sentinel that they talk to specific people in specific places.

    I heard that Chimelong Ocean Kingdom considers itself to be the Orlando of Asia so it seems like there is a link between the two. If Sea World already trades sperm with Ocean Park, it makes perfect sense to set up a new park and open up a new orca market in China. Japan could also become a new sperm trading partner while Russia regularly delivers wild captured orcas from their seas to all these parks.

    Do you know how the Chinese/Japanese public stand in regards to cetacean captivity? California has proposed a bill to ban orca captivity last week so Sea World San Diego is currently threatened to lose its orcas if the bill goes through. That may be exactly why Sea World is trying to expand internationally now. If captivity could be outlawed in Japan and China before this happens, that would be amazing, but I hear the government in Japan is very much for wild captures and slaughter. Not sure about China?!

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    There's hundred of these aquariums all over China... hence the demand... also many go to the hundreds of aquariums in Japan. Would like to see legislation outlaw cetacean captivity for show purposes and dolphin breeding programmes.

    Prohibit it
    Outlaw it
    Phase it out

    We could start with Hong Kong Ocean Park...

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    I'd also like to add that many of these trainers working in China with cetaceans are members of the IMATA, and should not really even be interacting with these creatures who are taken from drive fisheries. Being a member of the IMATA apparently means you love them... but to continue on and pretend these beautiful creatures weren't ripped away from their families and witnessed their families being killed... for a paycheck... just shows their true colours. Money talks.

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    Yes, that's correct. Got all sorts there, ex SeaWorld, ex Busch Gardens, ex Loro Parque, some 'IMATA members too! And of course Ocean Park HK has complained about losing some of their staff.

    Julien Forestier - ex Loro Parque, Connyland - Zhuhai Chimelong marine mammal trainer
    Alan Stein - ex Busch Gardens - Zhuhai Chimelong executive producer
    Ray Davis - ex SeaWorld Orlando curator, Georgia aquarium senior vice president - Zhuhai Chimelong


    Ocean Park in HK is also affiliated with SeaWorld, via their AI breeding programme.

  7. Anonymous Guest
    Is Ocean Kingdom making any deals with Sea World? I heard that some of the employees in Ocean Kingdom are former Sea World personnel, is that right?

  8. Anonymous Guest
    We know that two orcas who were caught in the Sea of Okhotsk in Russia in 2013 have been transported and traded to China. People who watch these trades know that China bought two orcas from Russia. Now there isn't a whole lot of places an orca in a holding tank can go to. People don't trade orcas for fun, they do it for purpose.

    These are expensive animals as well worth a million dollars per animal so you don't just buy them for no reason. It's a planned investment. Ocean Park had no orcas since the 1997 and it seems unlikely that after 17 years of not having any orcas on display, they would suddenly enquire to get some. But a new massive park with new attractions and new pools hoping to attract millions of visitors... yes that one could very easily be interested in opening up orcas shows.

    People know that those orcas are currently being trained up somewhere. So it's just a matter of time when those orcas are ready to perform that they will be put on display. And I would not be surprised if two orcas pop up in your park by the summer.

  9. Anonymous Guest
    The difference between the soul of an ant and an orca is that the ant is not self-aware, the orcas' soul is.

    Both animals should be respected in the same degree. None of these animals should be killed recklessly. But as far as I'm aware ants don't live in parks, do they? No one goes around and catches them, puts them in plastic containers only to transport them around the globe and put them in a tank? Orcas live in the open ocean and swim hundreds of miles every day. In a tank they can't do that any longer. There is much scientific evidence that orcas suffer in captivity. Can ants suffer to the same degree if caught and put into a park? I'm not an ant expert but as far as I'm aware insects aren't horribly intelligent creatures that merely act on instinct. Orcas are much like us, they have an additional part of their brain responsible for emotions, one that we don't have. They are self-conscious creatures like us, so are other dolphin species.

    Scientists like Dr. Naomi Rose and Dr. Ingrid Visser both argue that captivity damages these creatures and it's backed up by statistics. 87% of all orcas that have been caught since the 60s have died within 10 years of their confinement. Most orcas die prematurely. In captivity they live reduced life spans by roughly 50%.
    http://www.orcahome.de/orcadead.htm

    Depending on how big Ocean Kingdom's orca pool will be, these 2 orcas will likely die within the first 5-10 years. Some wild caught orcas didn't even survive more than a few days.

  10. Anonymous Guest
    What's the difference in value between the soul of an ant and an orca? Because the orca is bigger, some humans care overly much. No one cares about the ant, and everyone is smashing bugs the whole day long, and leaves them half dead on the floor.

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